Being Liberal and a Progressive in a RED STATE is not an easy thing these days. I started this blog to vent my frustrations on our lives being taken over by right wing conservatives with their propaganda machines. I have also learned an important lesson in the last year, it is that reading is the only way to get real information, you cannot depend on the news you see on TV.


Thursday, June 02, 2005

Draft Fears

After 30 Years, Draft Fears Rise
Some Youths and Parents Worry Despite Government's Assurances

....Rarely in the more than 30 years since the draft was abolished has the Selective Service triggered such angst. Two years into the Iraq war, concern that the draft will be reinstated to supplement an overextended military persists.....

I know I have been worried. Being the Mom of 3 sons, two in their 20's and one who will be 18 next year. Over the weekend I found myself googling "entering Canada illegally." I have this terrible fear that they are going to evoke the draft by the time my baby boy turns 18 which is April, 2006. I will not have America sending him to Iraq for a war I neither believe in or support and believe to be illegal to begin with. My other two sons seem to think they will be safe because they will take the younger 18 - 20 year olds first.

My husband and I were discussing the alternatives we would have. Canada says it will no longer take American Draft dodgers, so to go there one would have to enter illegally. From the information I have been reading it doesn't look like it will be easy. There are now more border patrol and Canada has cameras mounted on 50 ft. poles. But they say it can be done.

We talked about going to Alaska and living out in the wilds where no one could catch us at least for awhile. I would miss my other two kids terribly and that part would be sad, but I will do whatever it takes to save my baby from this madman we have for a president.

I can't believe I even have to be worrying about this. We should be looking into the colleges he could attend rather than thinking about becoming fugitives. I have never broken a law in my life and now I am thinking of doing something this terrible is beyond belief even to me.


Blogger you like dudes said...

I've got an idea. Instead of worrying what you're going to do with your son, why not let him be a man and make his own decisions? You're talking about him (and your other sons) like he's helpless. Maybe he'd like to serve his country. And maybe he'd like to choose which college he'll attend (by the way, steer clear of UMKC - an honest suggestion with his best interests at heart).

And besides, since nobody except liberal newsgroups have been talking about the "possibility" of a draft (to scare the young, poor, and uneducated into supporting the Democratic party), don't you think you might just take a deep breath and relax? If (and it's a large if) the government ever decides to draft again, you'll have plenty of time to leave the country.

Actually, one might think that it would be a good idea to start talking about a draft, so the "progressives" can take their world-saving to a place that needs it more, like Brazil, Mexico, or Africa.

Oh, and by the way, before you tell me about how conservative/ignorant I am, I'd like you to know that I don't care for many of President Bush's policy. I did vote for him, because I felt that he was better than the alternatives. I'm also not a huge fan of the war in Iraq (though I think Saddam needed to go, I'm not sure I approve of the way it happened). But, unlike leaving the country, I'd rather stay here, in the greatest country on Earth, and do what I think is right, rather than run away because our government is doing what it feels needs to be done. That's what we vote for, anyway.

6/02/2005 10:20 AM

Blogger Gingersnapp said...

I was actually going to take you seriously and answer you back when I checked your blog and saw this:

This is a website which glorifies my rude comments on other sites. COOL. check it out. My friends may also post from time to time.

My friends and I will make fun of other people's posts, then give you the link. you can check out our comments and our commentary.

6/02/2005 11:10 AM

Anonymous Cody said...

As one of the sons in question, I am 24, I would rather cut off my leg then go into the draft! (By the way is another choice incase the draft does come up, cut off a limb!

But anyway back to the point at hand, Bush can go to hell I would never in my right mind do one thing that right wing bastard would want me to do. Yes I love America and if we were fighting to defend our country, you know a real reason or if a "real" (you know just cause not they have WMD's, hell just about everyone has those except Iraq) war might break out within the next two years hell I would go because North Korea is going to kill us all, thanks again to Mr. Bush.

So That is my decision, sir. My limbs would go first before Bush make me do anything, hell I probably could sell them on e-bay and make some money to help support my self since everything in this country keeps getting more and more costly but the min. wage stays the same.

Peace out.

Impeach Bush

6/02/2005 11:38 AM

Blogger Lei said...

I did the same thing as gingersnapp- checked out the blog of the commentor. What a dope! Obviously someone who lacks any hint of maturity. And as somone close to the other son, I would have to say that we'd probably have to pack up and head to another country, too. He works for the government. I doubt he would if he really hated America. But the agenda Bush has continued to push doesn't resemble the concensus of at least half of all Americans.
BTW, Cody, you crack me up with your posts.

6/02/2005 1:53 PM

Blogger you like dudes said...

Actually, that is my friend's blog. Besides, the only comment was that someone would go around and post "rude" comments. Although I realize I am neither the smartest nor most politically-savvy person alive, I do believe that my comment was intelligent and that it raised serious issues. Even if the website said that I was being an idiot on other people's blogs, I disagree with the comment that I "lack any hint of maturity," since my questions about your posting were legitimate.

I appreciate you having your son defend his honor on your blog. I was confused, however, as to why he was unable to give any particular reasons (except a hint at the WMD's) for his decisions, but merely spouted some political rhetoric. I do have to congratulate your "sincerity," though. It's quite a bold statement to pledge a limb for "the cause." I won't question whether you'd actually do it, though, because something tells me your mom would take you to another country before that happened.

I would like to respond to your statement that "everything in this country keeps getting more and more costly but the min. wage stays the same." No doubt this is only a Republican problem; of course, when a Democrat is in office, prices go down for everything and then minimum wage goes up. Actually, you may remember from high school economics that there is something called "inflation," which is a phenomenon which occurs when money is printed. The best restriction on inflation is interest rates, which are periodically reviewed by the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. His name is Alan Greenspan. Actually, you may remember hearing his name, because he was the Chairman while you were in high school, the glorious days of President Bill Clinton. So don't blame inflation on Republicans. And, since your mom implied that you went to college, you shouldn't even be worrying about minimum wage. Right?

And by "real reason," do you mean going to Bosnia to keep peace? Do you mean bombing Afghanistan? And of course, don't forget bombing Iraq when Saddam refused to allow UN inspectors? Those were all military actions instituted by President Clinton. I expect that you wouldn't think invading other countries would be so bad under a "Blue" President. And I would never assume that conspiring to kill thousands of Americans by flying planes into large buildings in the most populous U.S. city would ever constitute a reason to retaliate. (Don't get me wrong; I would like to make sure you read my first post carefully, where I carefully state that I am not in favor of all of President Bush's policies or decisions. But, I just think it's funny that you're so incensed about all that is wrong about America, and the only thing you can complain about is the fact that we have a Republican in office.)

Just like FDR had no business entering a war after Pearl Harbor. Oh wait, he's "blue," that was a great war!

I'd be interested to hear what the other son does "for the government." I know the Post Office, and DMV are considered "government" positions.

I'm still waiting for the reply to my original post as well.

6/03/2005 2:18 PM

Blogger you like dudes said...

I find it interesting that within three hours of my original comment to this posting, there was a response from the poster, her son, and someone "close to the other son." (for some reason, I think this means that she is married to the son who posted a comment) However, in the three days since I posted my second comment, there have been no comments.

Here are the obvious conclusions. First, the blogger on this website called both her son and her daughter-in-law and told them to post comments defending her. This also leads to the next conclusion, that I was right about her telling her children what to do, including political positions and college choices.

Second, there are three possible reasons as to why there has been no reply: first, there is no answer, and she has been exposed as someone who, like Bill O'Reilly, just spouts political garbage; second, this post is far enough down now that nobody else will read my comments; or third, she hasn't been on the site lately to check my comments. Of course, since she has continued posting, this last one is not a viable option. Which leaves the fact that she chooses not to respond because she knows I'm right, and since I'm far enough down now on her blog, nobody will notice. Which is also more likely, given the fact that she used the easiest possible way to deflect my criticism.

Thank you. It just goes to show that the extreme in this country, whether right or left, is afraid to engage in debate, because there is so little to stand on out there.

6/05/2005 3:16 PM

Blogger Gingersnapp said...

Some people do have a life other than blogging, but I had no idea you had come back after your original post that I figured was just being snarky as per your blog. I do not have to call my kids to defend me, but apparently they do read my blog and that makes me feel good. My son who is in the government employ works for NASA in Houston if you scoll down to the bottom of my blog you will see the article in our local paper about him. He is neither anti-government or unpatriotic and the other two are likewise. I can rest assured that if this country were attacked my kids would not be afraid to defend it. But we do not have to support a government that takes us into a war that has nothing to do with being a threat to us. If that was the case we would have gone to N. Korea and Iran. Who knows why Bush went to Iraq, I sure don't and I guess only he knows for sure. We are a family of military, with my dad being a WWII vet and my brother a career navy veteran. It seems quite odd to me with all those out there that are such big supporters of the war why they don't go and join up, with all the neocon bloggers there are there shouldn't be any shortage of people to sign up.

6/05/2005 6:16 PM

Blogger Your Mom said...

You are stupid. That was my website you were bagging on. I thought it was ok to say whatever you wanted, but I guess my opinion makes me stupid, while yours really proves how smart you are. I don’t care what color you are; red or blue. I think you are stupid no matter what. My favorite part is how you don’t address anything youlikedudes says, you just spout a bunch of crap back at him that has nothing to do with his posts.

-- your mom

2 more things:

Is freedom of speech for everyone or are you going to delete my post?

I like your JERRY SPRINGER advertisement. Including a link to Jerry Springer's radio show really lends credibility to your site. GOOD JOB!

6/05/2005 7:53 PM

Blogger you like dudes said...

The following is a comment posted on my crappy blog, There, I posted a copy of the conversation that was occuring here. Lei commented there, and I missed it for several days. I have copied it, in all fairness, for republication here:

Lei said...

Actually, I'm living with one of her sons. He is an engineer for NASA. Not exactly the DMV, asshole. Also, if you don't want to be associated with the statements on your "friend"'s website, then don't post on other people's blogs using his username. My comment that you are immature was based on the site that you were linked to by your comment. Also, she didn't call me or anything, and I'm sure she probably didn't call Cody about you either. I read her blog every day, as I know Cody does. I don't always agree with her, either.
I don't know how old you are, although I assume you're fairly young, so let me explain something to you. When you have a child, you want the best for them. You don't want them to have to go die in a strange country in a possibly painful way. My son is only 5, but if he were 17 I might very well have the same opinion as gingersnapp. I know her well enough to say also that if any of her sons decided to join the military, she would support and love them just the same, even though it would break her heart.
Please stop playing the victim. You went to HER blog and made inflammatory, rude comments. If your argument had been made intelligently and nicely, she, and everyone reading, would have appreciated it. But you were rude. And now you and your "friend" have decided to call her a bitch, whore, etc. becuase she argued back. You even attack her for comments made by Cody and I. I assure you that she hasn't replied because she has forgotten about you and your angry comments.
One more thing- Cody is a college graduate, but since he graduated last year just a couple of months after his fiancee (and one of my best friends) died of cancer, he has taken a little time to get himself together. And since his family didn't just have the money to send he and his brother to college he has worked lower-level jobs throughout his college career.
I may not know anything about your background (age, education,where you're from, etc.) but I have faith that if you just stop and think about your comments you could probably make an intelligent contribution to a debate. But if you just want to continue to argue with strangers on their blogs and name-call, you aren't going to be well-recieved.
If you would like to reply to anything I've said, please do it at and not on gingersnapp's blog.

12:56 PM

you like dudes said...

Actually, I'm glad you replied.

First, I'd like to respond to your comments about my "name-calling." I have never called anyone a name on this site. Not ginger, not you, not Cody, and not your boyfriend. (Incidentally, that would make you the first between the two of us to use such language) Actually, I'm careful not to do so because I have a family, too. Besides, personal remarks have little place in the political arena, as, for instance, John Kerry found out when he referred to Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter. I asked the question about where your boyfriend worked because I was interested as to what level of government he worked for. Congratulations to him on finding an excellent job in this rather difficult job market. Ginger showed me the link to the news article about him, so I know what he does.

Next, I understand that I could be associated with what "Your Mom" said. I hadn't thought about that before posting, but now I see how it comes across. That is why I made an attempt to insure that all involved knew that I was serious, that my comments were real, and that I was expecting an actual answer. I haven't posted anything on the site that would imply otherwise.

Furthermore, I have been careful not to call anyone names. You will notice that I have never used that type of language in my posts. If "Your Mom" does, I cannot help it. He's a big boy.

Don't tell me I'm "playing the victim." That's a phrase used by people who are unable to understand other people's points of view, and I'm sure that you're better than that. And I'm smart enough to realize that when Cody or you make comments on her site, those are your comments. Just because I responded to them there does not mean that I assumed she would answer them. I posted there because you did; I figured that would be a good place to discuss them.

I was honestly saddened to hear of Cody's loss. The loss of a spouse is probably the worst thing that could happen in a person's life; I don't know what I would ever do without mine. (This, incidentally, is one of the many reasons I avoid personal comments). Having said that, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. He said that he was going to have to sell body parts in order to live, and I said that he went to college, and so that shouldn't be necessary. His mother and brother are clearly intelligent, and the implication is that he is, also. I'm sure he's got better alternatives at this point than McDonald's or selling body parts.

Since you said you didn't know anything about me, let me tell you a little about myself. I'm 26, and a law student at UMKC. (Sorry, I don't know if you're familiar with Missouri, that's the University of Missouri - Kansas City). I did a double major of English Literature and Mathematics in my undergraduate program. I grew up in Los Angeles, where my parents still live. My brother is currently in a Masters of Public Administration program, and my sister is working on a Masters Degree in Psychology. Both of my parents are college graduates, and both are conservatives. I don't align myself as far to the right as they do; in fact, I'd consider myself pretty moderate in many respects. I post comments on these sites because I feel like so much of our problem in this country comes from the spin we (and when I say "we," I mean both left and right) put on everything. I post to show people when they aren't being consistent, and to ask questions. Although my screen name is linked with someone who may cuss and call names, I have not. My posts have been honest and coherent, and have raised what I believe to be real issues. I think if you will go back and read the many posts I have made on ginger's site, you may think so, too.

There, now you know a little more about who I am, and what I stand for. My comments are real, and are intended to spark real debate. If you have any suggestions as to how I can do this more effectively, please let me know.

6/07/2005 2:44 PM


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